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Frank Dudley Berry, Jr.'s avatar

ICE is not a politicized militia. It's a federal agency, created in 2002, chartered to enforce immigration law, and - despite all the demonization - that's what it does.

Do I like present immigration policy? I most assuredly do not. It seems to me far too Draconian. The reaction to the open borders in the previous administration is over the top.

But the demonization of the agency is equally screwed up. What you should be doing is insisting on a middle ground policy relative to immigrants, which does not Target indiscriminately, but only the most recent and unrooted arrivals and those with criminal backgrounds. To demonize the entire enforcement agency is just silly.

Prairie Fire's avatar

ICE wasn’t doing Gestapo tactics during Biden or Obama were they? They are 100% politicized and loyal to Trump. Mostly Sad Boys.

Frank Dudley Berry, Jr.'s avatar

Please. With all the nonsense, they enforce the statutes they are chartered to enforce.

‘Loyal to Trump’? Like some SA storm troopers? Are you nuts?

Get a life.

Prairie Fire's avatar

So Renee good and Alex Pretti deserved to die? That’s Gestapo shit

Frank Dudley Berry, Jr.'s avatar

Of course not. But did ICE agents stalk them out and shoot them? I don't think so.

What happened is that the mob action in which they participated caused enough chaos and confusion that the agents reacted. If the reactions were reasonable, they have self-defense claims. If they weren't, they're good for manslaughter.

Do you think at the right response to an legal action with which you disagree is the form a mob and undercut the law? Congratulations. You just legitimized a lynch mob.

You can disagree with the way ice is enforcing those statutes. I sure do. But they are acting within statutory authority. They aren't the Gestapo, they aren't the S.A., they aren't a private military of Trump's.

You want to change the policy? Elect representatives and a new President and do it. But send a mob onto the street and tragedy happens.

Prairie Fire's avatar

But MAGA wants to restrict the vote. So come steal my rights from my cold dead body; but I’ll die defending them.

Frank Dudley Berry, Jr.'s avatar

Nice change of subject. If you think anyone wants to restrict your vote, you have drunk, drunk the Kool-Aid to the very last drop.

Joel Applegate's avatar

Then abolish DHS. Then the Electoral College. Then lifetime SC appointments. Then the Senate. Then outlaw gerrymandering full stop. Then Citizens United. Then the office of the presidency replaced by a Prime Minister.

Frau Katze's avatar

I honestly do not believe many people are voting to defund the police or other wacky ideas.

They’re rather interested in stopping Trump and perhaps Medicare for all.

Prairie Fire's avatar

What’s wrong with Medicaid for all?

Frau Katze's avatar

Nothing. Read my comment again. That’s what they want, not defunding the police.

George Shay's avatar

Would you like a king too? Maybe Mamdani?

Prairie Fire's avatar

Go kill yourself Russian DOUCHEBOT!!!

George Shay's avatar

Hey, how ya doing!

You're reported to Substack!

Hope you've enjoyed your time on the platform!

Prairie Fire's avatar

Awesome! I look forward to that. I’m off Reddit and others anyway! I produce actual content. You produce derision. You’re worthless

George Shay's avatar

You haven't produced anything! You're just a troll.

If you want to see what producing content means, check out my Substack. Become a paid subscriber and you can comment!

Why am I not surprised you have been kicked off other platforms? You are the incarnation of toxic waste.

Prairie Fire's avatar

You’re a chud MAGTARD Pedo fuck. In prison, you’re the first to die bitch

Joel Applegate's avatar

Good idea, George. King Zohran sounds SO cool, doesn't it? Superheroes everywhere, mythical lands of mystery, Hail to the Orange & Blue, Oaths embraced enthusiastically and voluntarily, defense instead of offense, a prospering working class, and no felonious, pedo kings anywhere in sight.

George Shay's avatar

Don't you see what a hypocrite you are? No doubt you're a “No Kings” type. Yet the system you propose is the parliamentary system we declared independence from 250 years ago, which came complete with a real king, not the illusory king of your paranoid fantasies.

Your fevered brain has been so damaged by hate that you know not what you do.

Joel Applegate's avatar

Thanks for the diagnosis. George. Does healthcare come with that?

Don't understand burlesque, eh? How about parody?

He has broken everything we have and everything we were.

There is no condemnation harsh enough to encompass the harm he's done to our country, the world, and our future. Your handle is stuffed with irony.

I will not be celebrating the birth of the US this year. Not much to be proud of when, after fighting violent avarice, textile moguls, enslavers, red-liners, nascent Wall Street, robber barons, union murderers, and overt racism toward the latest immigrant culture to reach for freedom and opportunity, after 250 years, fascism is found to be knocking on our doorstep.

George Shay's avatar

Your diagnosis is TDS. If you would renounce your country for one President you disagree with, you're a traitor.

You seem to be trying to get into the Guinness Book of Records for most character flaws.

You're just a troll. You've never posted even one Substack.

You have nothing to contribute. You're just a hater.

MisterFritz's avatar

Be prepared to hear the name Chevalier a lot. She is god's gift to Fox News, and the media will elevate her voice because it is so extreme. Right-wing media will use Chevalier to convince voters that her stupid statements (and she's just getting started) reflect the average Democrat. Chevalier may become the biggest obstacle to voting MAGA out of office.

Frank Dudley Berry, Jr.'s avatar

Er. . . she did win an election over a lot of moderate Democrats.

George Shay's avatar

I think you can see from the comments that there are some crazy people in your party, and among your followers, people who unabashedly advocate the overthrow of the US government, outright revolutionaries.

Your post indicates that you are a leftist extremist, and yet even you, after establishing your radical credentials, express concern over the madness you have unleashed in the anarchists of the communist DSA who have captured your party. This indicates you have a modicum of common sense.

People like you need to drop the radical chic, the communist/anarchist posturing, and take back your party before it's too late, before they come to get you because you don't hate Jews enough, you don't hate your country enough, you don't hate yourself enough.

These people are haters. Their hate will consume you and our country.

lorenzo smerillo's avatar

The USA is not, was never, was not founded to be a democracy. So the first step is not to abolish ICE, but to abolish the racist, genocidal, plutocratic oligarchy established by the US Costitution which has been festered and feed by both parties and a coorupt SCOTUS.

Do that first, abolish the monster.

Then what?

Establish a real and strong democracy.

Evan Gottesman's avatar

Have fun with that.

lorenzo smerillo's avatar

'The centre does not hold'

Frank Dudley Berry, Jr.'s avatar

Yup. Like the French mob did in 1791.

Didn't exactly work out.

(P.S. it never does.)

George Shay's avatar

You falsely accuse Trump of wanting to destroy the Constitution when, in reality, you are projecting-that's exactly what you want to do.

You and your DSA fellow travelers want to destroy this country and make it into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The choice is you or the country. My choice is clear. We will fight you to our last breaths.

Prairie Fire's avatar

Trump and Steven Miller “wanting to deport or imprison 100 Million souls” on American grounds is sign enough that Trump despises dissidents (1st Amendment) and second that anyone exercising the Second Amendment (Alex Pretti) is a terrorist, is reason enough to hate him.

Come take these rights from my dead body. But I’ll never EVER bend that fucking knee!

Casey at the Bat's avatar

your statistics are wrong. You are generalizing. You have brainwashed yourself. Please doht become radical without speaking to some rational people. your voice can be heard, but you must listen too, ok?

Prairie Fire's avatar

Trump WILL NEVER DISSOLVE THE FIRST OR SECOND AMENDMENTS AND DO NOT FORGET THAT FACT!

Casey at the Bat's avatar

Did you get your university professorship through Affirmative Action or some other scheme? you sound too radical to be for real and have damaged our students. I hope you got fired. We dont need your BS. You should not be a member of RDI. Its not for you.

Prairie Fire's avatar

I’d say PEACE CORPS would be a fantastic route. Rebuild the concept of the USA while also allowing regular Americans good wages and opportunities to travel, persuade and spread exceptionalism.

Plenty of older folks that would love to travel and share the glory years of the American Dream. Land of opportunity!

But flat out hatred of Immigrants is unequal with the foundations of The United States of America. We’ve been through that plenty of times already.

Casey at the Bat's avatar

I was thinking of supporting your organization, however, you cant have it both ways on immigration. Illegal is illegal. Dept of Homeland Security and ICE are enforcing the law. You are suffering from disinformation about the department. Most of them already speak Spanish as do a majority of bilingual citizens of Arizona and California. Biden let Millions of illegals get bussed to northern cities making enforcement MUCH harder. The border illegal traffic is now slowed. You should not even entertain the idea of giving credence to the far left social democratic views. They are too far left and inconsistent with America.

Protect the Vote's avatar

Economic Forces Colliding: The American Earthquake 9.0

In geologic physics when continental tectonic plates begin moving against one another an earthquake is possible. In other words, when massive forces in the earth's crust are created the effects can be devastating to the population living on top of them.

Social and economic forces can implement cataclysmic change within populations. An Iranian war with economic forces producing stress within rural America, a tariff policy that forces financial stress on the population it affects, spendthrift government spending, an overbought equity market fueled by greed, and substantively a major decline purchasing power of the population's currency leading to inflation, all these economic forces are all coming together as if tectonic plates are colliding as one force to create an economic earthquake of seismic proportions.

So it's not one thing that creates an economic disaster but multiple forces acting in concert to lead to a serious problem. Like it or not, Cheeto is presiding over an economic disaster. He doesn't want to be a Herbert Hoover, but he will become one.

As in all previous fiat currency experiments, this 50y experiment will end badly as well because the country's debt to GDP ratio is 130%, like most Western countries, and there is no wiggle room like there was in the 1980's.

The wealth preserving lesson in this coming economic earthquake is to get to safe ground which is gold and silver.

George Shay's avatar

Communists are taking over the country through hate-TDS and Jew hate. They're using the same playbook that Hitler and Lenin used. Your hate will destroy your country. Then what will you do? You'll have no one to hate but yourself.

Protect the Vote's avatar

You are a certified Nazi Republican Congratulations Your Trump gold watch is in the mail.

George Shay's avatar

You don't need to show how ignorant you are. It's self-evident.

I'm an independent. I never voted for Trump, and I never will.

Why do you make a habit of being wrong?

Protect the Vote's avatar

Apologize for misreading your comment

lorenzo smerillo's avatar

What passport do you have?

lorenzo smerillo's avatar

You, "George Shay",4 wrote, 'Your hate will destroy your country'. So by logical inference from your grammar you are not an USAian. Are you a very conservative Syrian, Palaestian or Jordanian, or just Slovinian?¿

George Shay's avatar

Your discernment skills are sorely lacking. I am a proud third generation citizen of the USA, how about you?

lorenzo smerillo's avatar

I feel sorry for you.