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Mitch Keamy's avatar

I am old enough to have demonstrated against the VIetnam war in cambridge. we would gather to march in a circle at the university entrance. after a few minutes the SDS (radical "students for a democratic society) would appear with a bullhorn to try to pre-empt our anti-war demonstration by shouting a bunch of socialist rhetoric at which time we would disperse. My point is that provocateurs or preemptors/disruptors will be infiltrating. protesters should be prepared for this.

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John Brown's avatar

One way or another, no matter what, Russia is stronger than Putin and America is stronger than Trump. We’re gonna win.

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Ged's avatar

Let me say a few words of context to my somewhat snarky comment about “who won”.

That was admittedly written also from a certain position of rage and I will add that you are indeed the winner in that conflict in a number of respects.

However - and I will not discuss your moral imperatives because if people decide for principled non-violence that is their prerogative and there are reasons for that and I respect that - let me say a word about the practical considerations. (Not about Putin’s Russia and may all your friends rest in power)

The question whether broken windows or burning Waymos are a gift for Trump’s agenda is sort of a moot point as authoritarians WILL escalate and they were already in the process of doing so - again and again and again. I am from Germany and the pseudo resistance that the Germans put up back in the day enabled the regime.

There is a reason to stay as nonviolent as possible but what escalated the tensions was that ICE came into those neighborhoods and kidnapped people. With more than one person now basically having been disappeared without due process the question at hand was basically whether or not these people let their friends potentially get murdered. Sure - for most it wouldnt end quite as bad but this put people in situations that were effectively ending or at least threatening their existences as they knew it.

To tell people that non-violence is “the right way” to demonstrate unjustly abstracts from this reality.

It is A way. And it is A way that also often forgets that - and I have been there more than once - the non-violence of soon is only made possible by the fact that others militantly protect it.

I am not telling you to not advocate for peacefulness. Everybody wants it as peaceful as possible. What I am asking is: stop the ambivalence towards the protesters that CANNOT watch how their friends are taken. Don’t act as if it’s a “present for Trump”. It’s not. Lack of resistance could also be interpreted as a win. They will spin everything to mean that they are winning. This is why it is up to us to unequivocally stand with the protestors.

This being said: many ways. One goal. Still.

Venceremos.

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Gary Fletcher's avatar

I do wish that the Democratic Party was more organized and stronger in its fight against Trump. But I am heartened by the fact that the true measure of resistance is being exhibited by the people who are protesting.

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John's avatar

It wod seem that American citizens have enjoyed a greater amount of freedom from oppression than Russian/ soviet citizens. From Stalin to putin it seems that russian citizens have become tolerant of the kind of leaders that a majority of US citizens just won't accept without a fight, and a majority of the courts, law enforcement, and military would no doubt be sympathetic to fighting to keep those freedoms in place.

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Steltloper's avatar

From the right and the left. Amsterdam 1969 the Universitiy in Amsterdam was occupied. I was inside when students, practicing 'solidarity among the classes' invited Socialist Youth inside who started demolishing the 'intellectual' library - which invited police interference (not comparable with US brutality but unpleasant) which stopped negotioations. We lost.

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Gary LoConti's avatar

There is no such thing as peaceful protests if the Tyrant controls police and military! They easily plant secret groups who create just enough violence to trigger the Fascist to use 100 fold violence against his opposition! In Americas case The Proud Boys and black ops are being used to justify the power grab and purge! Propaganda is the other way because nobody knows the truth!

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LadyHistorian's avatar

Those who have not lived in the FSU have no appreciation of the real risks to life and limb and family’s same inherent in protests there. Those who challenge your courage or veracity are unworthy of your time or consideration, and likely are orcian trolls anyway.

Stand tall and be proud of what you accomplish past/present/future.

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Ohappyday's avatar

While ICE RAIDS are readily visible, more horrible HOLOCAUST has been committed "silently" in the victims' own homes.

You're being fooled and led astray. Trump is an obvious target of your anger, while real culprits are quietly experimenting on innocent "small" people in their own homes, where other strangers are herded like cattle together to make a parasitic existence, using INVISIBILITY SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY.

In "progressive" Washington State, under the rule of the Democratic Party, "HOLOCAUST" TRANSHUMAN BRAIN EXPERIMENTS have been operated by foreign campaign donor for 11 years, using INVISIBILITY TECHNOLOGY & ILLEGAL HOME INTRUSION. These experimenters say that they're mercenaries chasing the billionaires' dream, with no country-specific loyalty.

HOLOCAUST TRANSHUMAN BRAIN EXPERIMENT, promoting PARASITIC LIVING not in affluent households but in "bottom-half" ones, to whose kitchen sewage water gets rerouted. FOR OVER A DECADE! IN PROGRESSIVE SEATTLE!

"Smuggled" North Koreans from China, the "unpaid" hires of a South Korean conglomerate have engaged in trafficking, nightly ATM, research labs & restaurant raids, and other espionage activities. They were lured by the company for "living without money in the U.S."

The above-mentioned Koreans have been protected by a group of middle-aged pickup-truck drivers and women, who speak fluent English like the American-born but act like the Nazis experimenting on the elderly and homeless females in an unimaginably cruel manner for 11 years without feeling remorse.

INVISIBILITY TECHNOLOGY and AI TECHNOLOGY!

78TH & GREENWOOD AVE, SEATTLE

WASHINGTON STATE SHB 1333 CAN BE MISUSED AS A WEAPON TO SILENCE THE TRUTH!

In early April, 2025, I posted a message of exposing 11-year-long AI BRAIN EXPERIMENT that has been illegally conducted on unwitting citizens in their own homes in Seattle. In reply, a Bremerton nurse posted three "threatening" messages, all of which listed Washington State SHB 1333. Then, she quickly removed them within 48 hours. Afterwards, all of my Meta (Facebook, Instagram, Threads) & X accounts simultaneously received the notices of termination. I believe that someone who is guilty of criminal conduct or election fraud is constantly trolling the Facebook site, threatening the whistleblower with WASHINGTON STATE SHB 1333. 

We citizens should be united to get to the bottom of this horrible experiment "illegally" conducted by the billionaires in collaboration with the Washington State higher-up.

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Pandora’s Box's avatar

Thank you for your insights. I fear that our media would rather see us die. ‘When it bleeds it leads’ as they do say.

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Martha Ture's avatar

I see the Viktor Orban playbook in play. Many of us will be treated with violence, incarcerated, etc. The rest of us will stay quiet to protect our own lives, families, retain some degree of normality. I do not rely on the American people responding to the coming shocking violence with an outraged sense of justice. No Allied Forces will come to our rescue.

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