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Tai's avatar

Garry is right. The more blood these hired thugs on the hands, the more loyal they will have to become. I saw the video and there is no possible explanation other than excessive deadly force.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

She put it in drive with a LEO right smack in front of her. He will get off.

CynKyr's avatar

She had the wheels turned as they were walking up and when the gun was pointed at her, she hit the accelerator and the car turned, while the Agent stepped back to the side, where he had come from. He was not in danger of getting hurt. I watched 3 different videos several times before the altered video from a greater distance was released. You can still find the other videos - but don’t take too long, they will more than likely get “disappeared”. I do not see that Walz will give up. Democratic House Committee to get all the videos on record should happen quickly.

Does anybody know:

Is ICE still in Minnesota?

Is the Minnesota Nat’l Guard called up yet?

Have the local police been allowed in on the investigation?

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

it appears you're talking about the agent that approached from the left side.

there was another agent who had passed behind, then right side, then move smack in front of the driver. That's where he was when she hit reverse then drive - he was right-smack-in-front-of-her when she put it in drive and hit the gas.

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he fired straight into the windshield and jumped to our left. then fired into the drivers window.

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he should not have pulled his weapon imo. But he will have a claim that he was a LEO standing in front of her car in plain sight and she put it in drive and hit the gas, disobeying all commands (and common sense).

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we need to be careful to remind people protest is fine, physical confrontation is not. Obey LEO and file suit if they fark-up but do not under any circumstances initiate physical confrontation.

Michael S's avatar

But what you describe didn't happen. He jumped in front of her car. It was already moving.

Chris Nathan's avatar

People who have a strong case don’t have to make shit up (“He jumped in front of her car”). The whole thing is a tragedy already without you making it worse by feeding the outrage machine.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

my goodness you're shamelessly untruthful. Car is NOT moving at all when he passes from right to front. He is in front already when she hits reverse; he starts drawing his gun; she switches to Drive and gas and moves forward, hits him as he shoots the first shot through the windshield.

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he was definitely in front before she started driving back then fwd. Look again.

Jonathan Weil's avatar

I don’t set him getting hit at all, from that angle. Maybe he was, a glancing blow, and we don’t see it. He stays on his feet throughout, she is already steering to miss him when he shoots her, and probably wouldn’t have touched him at all if he’d been fully focused on self-preservation rather than mixing in the homicide.

Rosa Teresa's avatar

?? And 15 seconds before he fired three shots, he was in his vehicle with plenty of room to pass. It is mindboggling that no one questions why the ICE agents got out of their truck in the first place. Instead focusing on one or two seconds where the woman has multiple men with guns approaching her and screaming at her. And yes, the ICE agent did jump in front of her car. How else would you explain how he got from inside his own vehicle to the front of her vehicle within a matter of seconds. When I see a car trying to pull out, I typically don't exit my vehicle and walk around it shouting with a gun and camera in hand. Maybe she was focused on the guy who was at her window reaching in, and in a split second didn't see the other guy who approached from the opposite direction. Of course we'll never know because she was shot in the face. The guy who shot her was at a corner angle, right behind that blind spot between the windshield and the side window. Anyone who drives knows this. There was a guy at her window, the shooter came around from behind and walked right in front of her car. She probably looked down when she shifted gears. Why does everyone assume she saw him, made a conscious decision to drive forward knowing he was there when there literally was under 15 seconds between when the agents left their vehicle and when they shot her. The screeching among the pundits that assumes that she even had time to see him or process the event is just repulsive. Your basing everything on an external view. You have no idea where her eyes were or what she was focusing on. It was literally only a matter of seconds.

Frau Katze's avatar

I couldn’t tell from the video what was going on.

Philip Kershner's avatar

How about the agent came within inches of being run over? If she had obeyed the initial orders to get out of her car, there is no story.

PJ Schuster's avatar

Oh FO that’s what you right leaning people always say, they should have just complied. Complied with which one of 2 conflicting orders?? One or more people are shouting at her to “Move, Move,” then “Get out of the car, get out of the fucking car.” Which order?

Also Ross had absolutely no damned reason to walk in front of that running vehicle. It was a really stupid thing to do & against dept policy. Also he had already moved his phone from his right hand to his left & drawn his weapon as he walked in front of the car; why would he do that? Because he is an angry authoritarian male who thinks he’s above everyone else & how dare that woman sass him.

elliottobermanprofile's avatar

Horrible ICE, but where is Epstein Files

Eudoxia's avatar

I also saw somewhere that they prevented a doctor from attending her and blocked the ambulance, when it did arrive, for abour 10/15 minutes.

sps's avatar

Oh wow, do you have the same superpowers as the Pope? Or are you just a dip$5!t?Odds of the first aren't really in your corner, pal.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

"saw somewhere" LOLZ

"alternet" LOLZ

"dissentinbloom substack" LOLZ

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I have the same superpowers of any person with an honest brain . . .

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

thank you for sharing the links that prove me right.

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"witnesses said" of course they did

In a video Heller shared with NBC News, "a man who identified himself as a physician" while the ICE medical people were already there

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and the best one - "forced the EMT to go to the car on foot" -- pretty standard in crisis situations. Major fire, Antifa attacks, George Floyd arson & riots -- people having to control the site can't let ambulance fly in only so far. SOP.

sps's avatar

You’re a whiny little simp, shitbag. Any claim that there will even be an investigation to clarify the evidence is just twats like you making excuses for your own idolatry. Hopefully your handle is enough for the feds to come knocking on your door.

https://x.com/Acyn/status/2009344159698833771

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

a) video clearly shows the driver disobeyings every command then putting car in gear, taking foot off brakes hitting gas forward with a highly visible LEO right smack in front of her.

2) protest is legal, physical confrontation is not.

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DEMS need to stop encouraging physical interference.

ICE needs to calm down and deescalate.

Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

It may be legal to arrest someone for disobeying the orders of a police officer but it is not legal to kill someone for disobeying the orders of a police officer. Footage of the incident shows that the shooter was not in danger.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

I think it would be more accurate to say "footage of the incident leaves doubt about whether the shooter was in danger"

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at the moment her reverse-lights go out then her brake lights go off and her car lurches forward, he is right-smack-in-front-of-her.

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I do not agree with him pulling his piece and shooting; he could have stepped aside when she put it in reverse. But he didn't, so when she put it in gear and hit the gas, he was in danger, right-smack-in-front-of-her. He will have a viable defense to claim.

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and all of us (IMO) need to remind people to protest without physical confrontation.

Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

The tires show that she was turning away from him. The witnesses say his life was not in danger. Police training prohibits stepping in front of vehicles. Killing in self defense is justified when it is necessary to prevent the killers death or the death of others. Is it more likely that people will die if he stepped away from the vehicle or if he shot someone driving a moving vehicle?

Sure, he may have panicked and made a tragic decision but he is supposed to be trained not to do that. ICE officers were screaming at the victim to move her car moments before another ICE officer tried to open her car door. She may have been scared and panicked, but she is a civilian.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

the tires were invisible to him. He was right smack in front of the car when she put it in drive, and hit the gas.

"witnesses" don't get to decide if he was in danger or not.

He was crossing from right side of car to left, when the car was motionless.

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She should have stopped an obeyed.

He (imo) should not have shot and should be tried for negligence, manslaughter, and never work in LEO again.

Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

Also check out the NYT analysis showing that both feet of the shooter were to the side of the car at the time he fired the first shot

Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

I disagree with your characterization. You can see him clearly pull his gun while the other officer still has his hand inside the car. The Washington Post analysis says that he stepped back as he fired the first shot. He was clearly on the side of the car when he fired the second and third shot. This is murder and reckless endangerment of the passenger and everyone else in the area. The officer should be arrested and tried. Let a jury decide beyond a reasonable doubt if he should be held accountable.

Rosa Teresa's avatar

The ICE officer should have never exited his own vehicle. She was trying to pull out, they should have passed in front of her. There was plenty of room. Then she could pull out. If they wanted to stop her vehicle, they should have used a vehicle maneuver, not exited their truck, walked around the back of her vehicle and shot her.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

actually she was avoiding pulling out and had been for a good while. "politely" waving others by so she could continue to sit there blocking half the street.

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Have never seen a LEO engage with someone blocking traffic but stay in their car. They get out come to your window and then you should do what they tell you to do.

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let's not pretend, gaslight and lie about what she was doing. Should he have shot? Did she deserve to die? I'm going with NO on both. But as we converse let's stick to truth. She was doing what she was doing on purpose, as trained by Ice Watch.

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Guy Wiggins's avatar

Curious. Do you think that Ashley Babbitt was murdered in cold blood? Thats what Trump and MAGA think.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

much like this shooting in Minneapolis, I would characterize it as misjudgment, negligence, manslaughter - in both cases there is not a lot of demonstrated need to be firing that weapon.

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that's more true (imo) in Babbits case. In Minneapolis, that driver truly did put her car in gear and drive forward with officers all around her and no excuses. That represented a real true honest threat of injury to the officers. In Babbit's case, the officer that shot was not in as vulnerable a position, was not being personally attacked by Ashley Babbit.

"On the other side of the doors and barricade, Lieutenant Michael Byrd was aiming his pistol at the broken window. Despite several calls of "he's got a gun",Babbitt, hoisted by two men, began to climb through the shattered window. She was then shot and soon died from loss of blood."

Linda Carruthers's avatar

So let me see. In the US disobeying a police officer or federal official warrants the death penalty? Is that what you are saying? You people are insane.

Tomas Pajaros's avatar

to rephrase your question: "In the US, is driving your car directly into an officer right in front of you, sufficient grounds for him to shoot you in self-defense?"

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it helps to frame the question accurately, honestly.

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spinning the checkerboard the other way, let's ask: "in the US, is it legal to drive your car right into an officer standing right in front of you?"

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of interest -- we do take our right of self-defense seriously here. Try both those questions above, replace "officer" with "just some guy."

--If you drive your car right into some guy standing in front of you, can he shoot you in self defense?

--Do you have a right to drive your car right into a person standing right in front of you?

RICHARD WALKER's avatar

just cold blooded murder in minnesota

and the person who did the killing has nothing to worry about

as long as trump is the murder-condoner in chief.

even if he does get convicted before trump leaves office

trump will pardon him anyway regardless of the laws

just for the sake of spite.

Elizabeth McIlvaine's avatar

Murder is a state crime for which Trump does not have the power to pardon

Donald Sinclair Richardson's avatar

So glad you are here, we need to stop the Trump bus, peacefully of course.

Georgi Georgiev's avatar

Edmund Burke, the father of conservatism once said that “all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”. Fate left little to the imagination as to which side Renee Nicole Good was on! RIP

Nick's avatar

The shooting must be investigated.

But the problems with ICE are only happening because Biden and the democrats let in 8+ million illegal immigrants over his 4 year term.

If the democrats hadn't encouraged illegal immigration, we wouldn't be having this problem..

#leopardsatemyface

Guy Wiggins's avatar

There is some sad truth to this. It was the greatest act of political incompetence I’ve ever seen. Hanging that issue to Trump on a silver platter. All to appease a minority held progressive view.

Kristin White's avatar

All to appease those who believe in the cause of human rights and justice, and adhering to the spirit of the greatest aspects of America.... yeah, man, rough.

Kristin White's avatar

Amnesty would make sense, given that they are productive members of society who commit crimes at a low rate, and nobody earns the accident of their birth. A New Ellis Island system would be glorious, but in reality this is all about ethnic cleansing and great replacement panic.

Guy Wiggins's avatar

Kristin your views do nothing but enable the worst most extreme elements in the Right. They are incredibly self defeating and lacking in any understanding of history or basic human psychology. It’s exactly this kind of woke nonsense that has given us Trump.

Obama had it right. He defended the border while working hard to try and find a legislative path that would fix this problem and provide more justice and a better system. Biden absolutely should have done the same. He was elected as a centrist Dem, not a Bernie Sanders progressive. Your views play right into the hands of the fascists. And I say this as pro immigration New Yorker who has always recognized that so much of the greatness of this country comes from immigrants. But the process must be controlled and when necessary limited.

Nick's avatar

No. This is about democrats not enforcing immigration law.

I do not condone blanket amnesty, e did that before in the 80s and it didn't solve the illegal immigration problem.

Stop favoring illegal immigrants over american citizens.

Kristin White's avatar

Why would someone be more worthy of favor because of the unearned accident of birth? Why would someone who did nothing to earn their residency in this country be more worthy of protection than someone who uprooted themselves and moved here? By any logic, those persons are more deserving of the fruits of this country than I, whose only accomplishment in that regard was to come out of the "right" womb in the right spot.

Nick's avatar

Because every country in the entire world prioritizes their citizens. Why are you pretending this isn't the norm across the world? Why should Americans have to shoulder a burden that no one else does?

Legal immigration is great, illegal immigration is not.

Kristin White's avatar

You didn't dispute the moral bankruptcy of closed borders, so unless you do so, then you aren't making an argument. And it's not a burden, it's the duty and glory of all humanity to do right by other humans regardless of whether others are bigots.

The entire premise of America as a country is that we were not a nation of blood and soil but of immigrants and ideas. Why would I believe that suppressing the righteousness of that idea, and denying to others the enormous unearned inheritance of wealth I was born into, could ever be defended?

Why would I take the cruelty and insularity of other nations as an instruction?

Open borders are the only moral policy, and the only basis for restricting immigration should be if they are fascists or religious authoritarians, or serious criminals, NOT EVER because of the mere fact they were not born here.

Nick's avatar

Lol, there is not moral bankruptcy in closed borders. Not unless you're willing to condemn every other country in the world.

We're all for immigration, as long as it's done legally. You're deliberately conflating legal and illegal immigration. 👎

The american people disagree with you about open borders. That's exactly why you lost in 2024. Pretending that bigotry is the only explanation for wanting a secure border is peak stupidity.

Wendy's avatar

Unfortunately my congress people are Lindsey Graham (the biggest Trump toadie & lickspittle there is), Tim Scott 🥴, and Nancy Freakin’ Mace. Yep, I hit the trifecta here in the Lowcountry of South Carolina. But I do contact their offices every single day about Trump’s lawlessness, his rogue administration and for Republican leadership to take back their Oversight and remove him from office. If I get “disappeared”, that’s why.

Nick's avatar

Do you have a job you can help unionize?

TJ's avatar
Jan 8Edited

Say her name Renee Nicole Good 🕊️

Renee Nicole Good 37 years old and a mother of a 6 year old has been identified as the woman shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis by her mother.

“Renee was one of the kindest people I’ve ever known,” her mother said. “She was extremely compassionate. She’s taken care of people all her life. She was loving, forgiving and affectionate. She was an amazing human being.”

Renee was a mother, a wife, a poet and a writer.

Rest in Power Renee 🕊️

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Protect the Vote's avatar

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This article https://bit.ly/4qOujcZ exposes these parallels and their seeking a Yalta 2.0 But even though Cheeto and Putin are looking like adversaries, it’s a game between 2 malignant narcissists who want to control their backyards In the end Putin is playing Cheeto’s game because they both know that if Cheeto plays his NATO fracture game in West it gives him the opportunity to invade Europe and America will suffer big time

U. Ortego's avatar

Two systems collide. One says: authority defines truth. The other says: evidence does. Both claim legitimacy. Neither yields.

This isn't debate. It's competing physics of knowledge.

The casualty isn't shared reality—we never had that. The casualty is the pretense. The agreement to act as if we inhabit the same information space.

Historical pattern: when societies can't agree on mechanisms for establishing fact, they fragment into narrative territories. Each becomes self-validating. Evidence circulates only within boundaries.

You call it erasure. More precisely: narrative preemption. Shape memory before it solidifies. Control the frame before investigation completes. What happened matters less than what it means within the system's logic.

Antidote: there isn't one at scale.

At scale, the stronger distribution network wins. Not the truer account—the one with better infrastructure for repetition.

Rosa Teresa's avatar

The ICE agents were in their vehicle with plenty of room to pass. For some reason, unclear from the video, they jumped out of their vehicle and charged the woman in her vehicle. The shooter, who was filming with his phone, walked behind her vehicle then crossed in front of it and shot her all within 15 seconds of exiting his own vehicle. She didn't ram her car into anyone. The ICE agents weren't even in the roadway when she first tried to pull out. Any account that doesn't acknowledge that the ICE agents could have just stayed in their truck and drove away is gaslighting. It is disturbing to see what kind of precedent this could set. So all an ICE agent has to do if they want to use lethal force is make a sudden move toward your vehicle and then claim that you were the one aggressing toward them. The woman had bullets to her face. THe ICE agent walked away. He was never in danger. The poor woman was dead as soon as the ICE agents decided to exit their truck and engage her.

George Vittas's avatar

When a cop asks you to get out of the car, you don’t step on the gas. She was known to them as an agitator who had been following them around. They finally had enough and stopped her. All she had to do was get out and talk. Her kid would still have one of its parents.

Skepticalcentrist's avatar

Extremely well said. I’m so damn tired of Orwell being so damn right.

CynKyr's avatar

Epstein Files have the potential to save us - more Republicans are upset about them than will not buy in to the fantasy of the doctored “official video”.