No one in their right mind should celebrate violence against anyone. Also, we know the MAGA right will dial up their rhetoric and actions to the nth degree and put democracy in bigger danger.
I am in my right mind and if I need to be violent to protect what is of value in this world I will be violent. I celebrate the fact that there is one less fascist "influencer" in the world warping people's minds with fascist propaganda.
I wonder who's going to protect us all from you. You do know that all the great Mass murderers claimed to be acting and defense. Lenin and Stalin surrounded by imperialist powers that wanted to destroy the Soviet Union. Hitler was reacting against the conspiracy of Jewish bankers. Plenty of Orwellian sheep of your type baahed their approval. You and the twerps who approved you are dismal archetypes.
Keep singing that sad refrain when the fascist cunts now running amok have destroyed everything, including the planet. You are useless. Join the resistance or get out of the fucking way, coward.
Do you think what you write or think or do about anything matters to anyone? Don't you realize that the universal soldiers of your gullibility and stupidity are a dime a dozen?
It’s a flashing red warning light and it’s not the first assasination this year. People on both sides have been openly fantasizing about killing the ‘enemy,’ and now we’re seeing it spill over. If we don’t confront the culture of dehumanization head-on, the U.S. isn’t headed for polite disagreements — it’s headed for political cleansing and organized violence. We either find a way to pull back from this cliff or we go over it together.
Well said. There is no excuse for gun violence even if many think it is a necessary hazard of our second amendment rights as this victim seemed to think. 😢
Never been a better time to reread Bryan Burrough's book. The Days of Rage are upon us again. It is a cold consolation that this is not remotely new in America, but it's a consolation nonetheless.
Then explain why it was LEGAL during WWII to kill fascist ? WWIII begun weeks ago in our community over three thousand Swedes have been moved here their stories are horrific they have been facing fascism for well over three years no tanks no armies just shot going to market ,church yet we have not heard a word in our media. Poland was attacked today by Russia, Israel attacked Quatar our media says that they killed Hamas general pictures of what really happened are now showing up 167 Saudi soldiers killed? Americans don’t know who or what to believe in anymore. I was born a Quaker and have lived seventy years practicing we do not believe in killing yet it’s getting close to who gets killed first? It’s not about fighting back but surviving it you have to plan to survive not buying dehydrated food in a pail for $300 but planning for every family is going to have to grow nothing more than courage.
Government Shutdown: Getting Angry And Demanding 3 Things 202.224.3121
Over at American Manifesto Lukium(https://bit.ly/4pfyLBm) has called on WE the People to shutdown the government unless 3 demands are met So call your senator and congressman/woman to make this happen or you will shut them down so that they won’t be able to run for dog catcher Create a habit to call them every day Flood the lines And then say the following:
“Do not fund the government unless these three demands are met: release the Epstein files, end the tariff lie, and prohibit the use of force against Americans. I know the regime will never concede, and that is the point—to force them to defend why, until their collapse. If you cave, your career ends. We will fund your primary challengers, we will canvas, we will donate, and we will make sure you are finished.”
If all of us make calls with the above WE the People can make a difference Protests will only go so far
Trump had him assassinated to change the narrative that he is a pedophile and as pay back for him crossing him while many on the right spoke up about the betrayal of Trump the MaGA movement. Don't beleive me? Ask Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, wait, he died in his jail cell? No way! #Release the Epstein Files!!
I have posted this on several notes and comments of people I follow, but I want to put it here as well.
Let me start this by saying I am a Democrat, and have never voted for Trump. I would like to offer a perspective of someone who lives just north of the area. My elderly parents live in Orem (they did not vote for Trump). They just called to say helicopters are noisily swarming over their house. I have two extremely upset children who attend Utah Valley University (they did not vote for Trump). I have been communicating with my little sister all afternoon. She and her husband (neither voted for Trump) live in Orem also. My sister woke from a well-deserved nap to be alerted that two of her school aged children were in lockdown in a live shooter situation. There had been a shooting, and the suspect was at large. There is a junior high with almost 1,400 students that is directly across the street from campus. There are several elementary schools close by. This is a very crowded and busy neighborhood that is a combination of restaurants, homes, schools, and the university. My family has been urgently texting each other to see if the 20 somethings, 12 year old, and 7 year old are all right. My sister just texted me that hearing her sweet 7 year old describe being in lockdown in a tiny voice is breaking her heart. I saw my niece yesterday. We talked about elf kitties. Today my niece is talking about lockdowns. This is a REAL thing that is happening to people. The sardonic and jaded tone used by many today is wrong. Quit posting in sound bites. A life is gone.
I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER. Have you all forgotten the words of Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr. ? Violence never solves the problem. It creates more problems. This whole semester will be tainted for all the students there. There are almost 44,000 students that attend UVU. School is now closed until the 15th. What about the 9/11 commemorations and service projects scheduled by the university tomorrow? Utah is a much more purple state inside than it looks from the outside. UVU has a diverse population including many international students. Not every student there believed in Charlie Kirk's words. They are young adults who are naturally attracted to a media event. And now they have seen an assassination live. The students on the ground knew Kirk would not survive from the neck wound. Even though they are the video game generation these kids are NOT desensitized to violence. They are upset. Everyone I know in the area is upset - no matter who they voted for.
And yes, my parents, my sister, my nephews and nieces, my children and their friends ALSO knew what was happening in Denver and were equally upset and enraged by it too. People are capable of thinking about multiple things at the same time. It only amplified their grief and fear over school shootings.
This is what one of my children said to me after getting home today. I asked them if I could quote them directly: "Kirk's opinion will now be more amplified, and the person who killed Kirk - their opinion will seem less justified. It is a cowardly stupid action that has done nothing but ruin lives. Killing people is not the answer. He was a dumb guy, but no one deserves to be killed in a traumatic way like that."
The other child put it more succinctly: "The Crips and the Bloods are fighting, and I am sick of it. I am mad at all the shootings and the guns. I am mad at all the stupid adults. This is stupid and awful." This is a child who has only known nasty politics to be the norm. They do not believe me when I say politics used to be boring, and most people did not give it all that much attention.
You know what surprised me? The dialogue of the young adults around me was NOT focused on the framing of the assassination around left or right issues. Their focus was the desperate problem of guns and school shootings. You know what all the kids agreed on after talking? They want to fire ALL the politicians and then vote in young people who have been in multiple lockdowns and / or school shooting situations their entire lives. And then let's see what happens to the lobbyists, the money and the congressional cowardice. These children are tired of the fighting, and they are TIRED OF SHOOTINGS!
Ironic that he was answering questions about gun violence (and in his usual tendentious way, acting like trans people and gangs are the problem), when he took a bullet himself. Fair enough - I'm happy to offer the same "thoughts and prayers" they're always serving up, when the bullets fly. That'll fix it!
We just need two countries at this point. You will never, and I mean NEVER, convince half of the country that men can become women or that violent criminals should be shown leniency. A lot of those same people will never agree that their children should be subjected to sexually explicit content in a school, far away from their parent's influence.
The other half of the country literally believes that. That God isn't real, that violence against speech they disagree with is justified, that there is no difference between men and women, and that mental illness is a badge of honor to be worn around your sleeve.
Here's the difference: conservatives don't go out shooting liberals over it; the same cannot be said the other way around.
At some point enough will be enough. Frankly, I believe the divide is too deep, that the lens through which we see the world is so totally different that there can never be political peace; the ball is in motion and the lunatic woke left will literally kill innocent people for disagreeing with them. Not harming them, just disagreeing with them.
To that I say, "fine." We just need to divide the country up, stop trying to "heal it" and just have an amicable divorce. You go there, we stay here, we do things our way her and you're free to do whatever you want over there. Granted, I don't think the liberal half would make it too long, but that isn't our problem anymore-- we are tired.
No one in their right mind should celebrate violence against anyone. Also, we know the MAGA right will dial up their rhetoric and actions to the nth degree and put democracy in bigger danger.
Couldn't resist, could you?
I am in my right mind and if I need to be violent to protect what is of value in this world I will be violent. I celebrate the fact that there is one less fascist "influencer" in the world warping people's minds with fascist propaganda.
I wonder who's going to protect us all from you. You do know that all the great Mass murderers claimed to be acting and defense. Lenin and Stalin surrounded by imperialist powers that wanted to destroy the Soviet Union. Hitler was reacting against the conspiracy of Jewish bankers. Plenty of Orwellian sheep of your type baahed their approval. You and the twerps who approved you are dismal archetypes.
Keep singing that sad refrain when the fascist cunts now running amok have destroyed everything, including the planet. You are useless. Join the resistance or get out of the fucking way, coward.
Do you think what you write or think or do about anything matters to anyone? Don't you realize that the universal soldiers of your gullibility and stupidity are a dime a dozen?
You're not going to send Hitler packing with that attitude Frankie boy!
It’s a flashing red warning light and it’s not the first assasination this year. People on both sides have been openly fantasizing about killing the ‘enemy,’ and now we’re seeing it spill over. If we don’t confront the culture of dehumanization head-on, the U.S. isn’t headed for polite disagreements — it’s headed for political cleansing and organized violence. We either find a way to pull back from this cliff or we go over it together.
We are exactly where the fascists want us to be. Fuck that dead fascist.
And tRUMP is still pedophile. He has orchestrated diversions before.
Well said. There is no excuse for gun violence even if many think it is a necessary hazard of our second amendment rights as this victim seemed to think. 😢
Mais si les attentats contre Hitler avaient réussi, l’Histoire aurait été fort différente…
Gandhi pouvait s’asseoir devant des soldats anglais, il ne risquait rien.
Comment être pacifiste en ce moment?
Very moving and explanatory of where we are.
Au nom de la démocratie, on laisse les plus faibles se faire assassiner par les plus forts
A young family has been forever altered. That is a tragedy.
Violence is the first resort of the bully. (enough said.)
Never been a better time to reread Bryan Burrough's book. The Days of Rage are upon us again. It is a cold consolation that this is not remotely new in America, but it's a consolation nonetheless.
Fascism is the problem. Charlie boy was a fascist. Fuck him.
I'm here to celebrate the defeat of fascists like Charlie Kirk by acts of violence and war from 1939 to 1945.
Then explain why it was LEGAL during WWII to kill fascist ? WWIII begun weeks ago in our community over three thousand Swedes have been moved here their stories are horrific they have been facing fascism for well over three years no tanks no armies just shot going to market ,church yet we have not heard a word in our media. Poland was attacked today by Russia, Israel attacked Quatar our media says that they killed Hamas general pictures of what really happened are now showing up 167 Saudi soldiers killed? Americans don’t know who or what to believe in anymore. I was born a Quaker and have lived seventy years practicing we do not believe in killing yet it’s getting close to who gets killed first? It’s not about fighting back but surviving it you have to plan to survive not buying dehydrated food in a pail for $300 but planning for every family is going to have to grow nothing more than courage.
Government Shutdown: Getting Angry And Demanding 3 Things 202.224.3121
Over at American Manifesto Lukium(https://bit.ly/4pfyLBm) has called on WE the People to shutdown the government unless 3 demands are met So call your senator and congressman/woman to make this happen or you will shut them down so that they won’t be able to run for dog catcher Create a habit to call them every day Flood the lines And then say the following:
“Do not fund the government unless these three demands are met: release the Epstein files, end the tariff lie, and prohibit the use of force against Americans. I know the regime will never concede, and that is the point—to force them to defend why, until their collapse. If you cave, your career ends. We will fund your primary challengers, we will canvas, we will donate, and we will make sure you are finished.”
If all of us make calls with the above WE the People can make a difference Protests will only go so far
Trump had him assassinated to change the narrative that he is a pedophile and as pay back for him crossing him while many on the right spoke up about the betrayal of Trump the MaGA movement. Don't beleive me? Ask Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, wait, he died in his jail cell? No way! #Release the Epstein Files!!
I have posted this on several notes and comments of people I follow, but I want to put it here as well.
Let me start this by saying I am a Democrat, and have never voted for Trump. I would like to offer a perspective of someone who lives just north of the area. My elderly parents live in Orem (they did not vote for Trump). They just called to say helicopters are noisily swarming over their house. I have two extremely upset children who attend Utah Valley University (they did not vote for Trump). I have been communicating with my little sister all afternoon. She and her husband (neither voted for Trump) live in Orem also. My sister woke from a well-deserved nap to be alerted that two of her school aged children were in lockdown in a live shooter situation. There had been a shooting, and the suspect was at large. There is a junior high with almost 1,400 students that is directly across the street from campus. There are several elementary schools close by. This is a very crowded and busy neighborhood that is a combination of restaurants, homes, schools, and the university. My family has been urgently texting each other to see if the 20 somethings, 12 year old, and 7 year old are all right. My sister just texted me that hearing her sweet 7 year old describe being in lockdown in a tiny voice is breaking her heart. I saw my niece yesterday. We talked about elf kitties. Today my niece is talking about lockdowns. This is a REAL thing that is happening to people. The sardonic and jaded tone used by many today is wrong. Quit posting in sound bites. A life is gone.
I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER. Have you all forgotten the words of Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr. ? Violence never solves the problem. It creates more problems. This whole semester will be tainted for all the students there. There are almost 44,000 students that attend UVU. School is now closed until the 15th. What about the 9/11 commemorations and service projects scheduled by the university tomorrow? Utah is a much more purple state inside than it looks from the outside. UVU has a diverse population including many international students. Not every student there believed in Charlie Kirk's words. They are young adults who are naturally attracted to a media event. And now they have seen an assassination live. The students on the ground knew Kirk would not survive from the neck wound. Even though they are the video game generation these kids are NOT desensitized to violence. They are upset. Everyone I know in the area is upset - no matter who they voted for.
And yes, my parents, my sister, my nephews and nieces, my children and their friends ALSO knew what was happening in Denver and were equally upset and enraged by it too. People are capable of thinking about multiple things at the same time. It only amplified their grief and fear over school shootings.
This is what one of my children said to me after getting home today. I asked them if I could quote them directly: "Kirk's opinion will now be more amplified, and the person who killed Kirk - their opinion will seem less justified. It is a cowardly stupid action that has done nothing but ruin lives. Killing people is not the answer. He was a dumb guy, but no one deserves to be killed in a traumatic way like that."
The other child put it more succinctly: "The Crips and the Bloods are fighting, and I am sick of it. I am mad at all the shootings and the guns. I am mad at all the stupid adults. This is stupid and awful." This is a child who has only known nasty politics to be the norm. They do not believe me when I say politics used to be boring, and most people did not give it all that much attention.
You know what surprised me? The dialogue of the young adults around me was NOT focused on the framing of the assassination around left or right issues. Their focus was the desperate problem of guns and school shootings. You know what all the kids agreed on after talking? They want to fire ALL the politicians and then vote in young people who have been in multiple lockdowns and / or school shooting situations their entire lives. And then let's see what happens to the lobbyists, the money and the congressional cowardice. These children are tired of the fighting, and they are TIRED OF SHOOTINGS!
Ironic that he was answering questions about gun violence (and in his usual tendentious way, acting like trans people and gangs are the problem), when he took a bullet himself. Fair enough - I'm happy to offer the same "thoughts and prayers" they're always serving up, when the bullets fly. That'll fix it!
We just need two countries at this point. You will never, and I mean NEVER, convince half of the country that men can become women or that violent criminals should be shown leniency. A lot of those same people will never agree that their children should be subjected to sexually explicit content in a school, far away from their parent's influence.
The other half of the country literally believes that. That God isn't real, that violence against speech they disagree with is justified, that there is no difference between men and women, and that mental illness is a badge of honor to be worn around your sleeve.
Here's the difference: conservatives don't go out shooting liberals over it; the same cannot be said the other way around.
At some point enough will be enough. Frankly, I believe the divide is too deep, that the lens through which we see the world is so totally different that there can never be political peace; the ball is in motion and the lunatic woke left will literally kill innocent people for disagreeing with them. Not harming them, just disagreeing with them.
To that I say, "fine." We just need to divide the country up, stop trying to "heal it" and just have an amicable divorce. You go there, we stay here, we do things our way her and you're free to do whatever you want over there. Granted, I don't think the liberal half would make it too long, but that isn't our problem anymore-- we are tired.
National divorce. Done and done.
It's actually about 80% of the country with respect to each issue. A real historical question is how the Democratic Party got itself into this mess.