No one in their right mind should celebrate violence against anyone. Also, we know the MAGA right will dial up their rhetoric and actions to the nth degree and put democracy in bigger danger.
He's a lousy president, but he's no pedophile. And Epstein was a pimp and procurer, not a child molester, which is bad enough. You will go to your grave not realizing how helpful your fixated hyperbole is to Trump.
As was Bill Clinton., and many others during the 90’s, when Epstein was just another celebrity. You have a very expansive definition of both ‘child’ and ‘rape’. Your indifference to fact does you no good. Epstein recruited whores, some of whom were pretty young, to service famous men. It’s ugly enough on its own terms without the hyperbole.
I am in my right mind and if I need to be violent to protect what is of value in this world I will be violent. I celebrate the fact that there is one less fascist "influencer" in the world warping people's minds with fascist propaganda.
I wonder who's going to protect us all from you. You do know that all the great Mass murderers claimed to be acting and defense. Lenin and Stalin surrounded by imperialist powers that wanted to destroy the Soviet Union. Hitler was reacting against the conspiracy of Jewish bankers. Plenty of Orwellian sheep of your type baahed their approval. You and the twerps who approved you are dismal archetypes.
Keep singing that sad refrain when the fascist cunts now running amok have destroyed everything, including the planet. You are useless. Join the resistance or get out of the fucking way, coward.
Do you think what you write or think or do about anything matters to anyone? Don't you realize that the universal soldiers of your gullibility and stupidity are a dime a dozen?
It’s a flashing red warning light and it’s not the first assasination this year. People on both sides have been openly fantasizing about killing the ‘enemy,’ and now we’re seeing it spill over. If we don’t confront the culture of dehumanization head-on, the U.S. isn’t headed for polite disagreements — it’s headed for political cleansing and organized violence. We either find a way to pull back from this cliff or we go over it together.
I hear you. The reason I said ‘both sides’ is because I’ve personally heard Republicans say ‘there will be no solution until we take up arms against the liberals’ — and I’ve also heard Democrats say almost the exact same thing after Trump’s failed assassination attempt. And these weren’t fringe extremists; they were people you’d meet at work or in your neighborhood. It feels like hate and dehumanization are spreading everywhere. Personally I agree with you — I reject violence — but I’ve had no luck convincing others to be pacifist. I’m terrified we’re heading in the opposite direction — faster and faster — and I don’t know how we stop this pot from boiling over.
You had better check out x one of these days, particularly the constant vitriol directed against JK Rowling for expressing views that are largely mainstream.
I’m not talking about public statements from politicians — I’m talking about individual people: family, friends, coworkers. I’ve personally heard Republicans say ‘there will be no solution until we take up arms against the liberals’ and I’ve also heard Democrats express the same kind of thinking after Trump’s failed assassination. These aren’t fringe extremists, they’re regular people. It feels like hate and despair are spreading. It’s shocking to see public comments from likely democrats celebrating Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Yes, politicians aren’t publicly celebrating his assassination, but many voices on the left are celebrating. Ultimately it’s up to all Americans not to celebrate and propagate hatred.
What alarms me most is that every time this happens, the idea of killing fellow citizens with a different opinion becomes more normalized. Once that line is crossed there’s no undoing it — only escalation. This is tragic and dangerous. How do we pull back before it becomes our daily reality?
No one deserves to die for their political opinions but this is not a "both sides" issue. What you "hear people saying" and who is taking action are 2 different things.
If I was to bet on who shot Charlie Kirk it would be a far right white male. The odds favor it. Yet we have to deal with Trump and Republicans blaming the Democrats and the left for his murder.
Republican politicians who have continually blocked reasonable gun control legislation refuse to look in the mirror and see the culture of death they've created. School shootings have been normalized. The schools, the malls, the movies, bars and social gatherings have all become targets for mass murderers and we go through the same cycle ad nauseum.
The lay definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. We live in an insane country.
I have posted this on several notes and comments of people I follow, but I want to put it here as well.
Let me start this by saying I am a Democrat, and have never voted for Trump. I would like to offer a perspective of someone who lives just north of the area. My elderly parents live in Orem (they did not vote for Trump). They just called to say helicopters are noisily swarming over their house. I have two extremely upset children who attend Utah Valley University (they did not vote for Trump). I have been communicating with my little sister all afternoon. She and her husband (neither voted for Trump) live in Orem also. My sister woke from a well-deserved nap to be alerted that two of her school aged children were in lockdown in a live shooter situation. There had been a shooting, and the suspect was at large. There is a junior high with almost 1,400 students that is directly across the street from campus. There are several elementary schools close by. This is a very crowded and busy neighborhood that is a combination of restaurants, homes, schools, and the university. My family has been urgently texting each other to see if the 20 somethings, 12 year old, and 7 year old are all right. My sister just texted me that hearing her sweet 7 year old describe being in lockdown in a tiny voice is breaking her heart. I saw my niece yesterday. We talked about elf kitties. Today my niece is talking about lockdowns. This is a REAL thing that is happening to people. The sardonic and jaded tone used by many today is wrong. Quit posting in sound bites. A life is gone.
I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER. Have you all forgotten the words of Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr. ? Violence never solves the problem. It creates more problems. This whole semester will be tainted for all the students there. There are almost 44,000 students that attend UVU. School is now closed until the 15th. What about the 9/11 commemorations and service projects scheduled by the university tomorrow? Utah is a much more purple state inside than it looks from the outside. UVU has a diverse population including many international students. Not every student there believed in Charlie Kirk's words. They are young adults who are naturally attracted to a media event. And now they have seen an assassination live. The students on the ground knew Kirk would not survive from the neck wound. Even though they are the video game generation these kids are NOT desensitized to violence. They are upset. Everyone I know in the area is upset - no matter who they voted for.
And yes, my parents, my sister, my nephews and nieces, my children and their friends ALSO knew what was happening in Denver and were equally upset and enraged by it too. People are capable of thinking about multiple things at the same time. It only amplified their grief and fear over school shootings.
This is what one of my children said to me after getting home today. I asked them if I could quote them directly: "Kirk's opinion will now be more amplified, and the person who killed Kirk - their opinion will seem less justified. It is a cowardly stupid action that has done nothing but ruin lives. Killing people is not the answer. He was a dumb guy, but no one deserves to be killed in a traumatic way like that."
The other child put it more succinctly: "The Crips and the Bloods are fighting, and I am sick of it. I am mad at all the shootings and the guns. I am mad at all the stupid adults. This is stupid and awful." This is a child who has only known nasty politics to be the norm. They do not believe me when I say politics used to be boring, and most people did not give it all that much attention.
You know what surprised me? The dialogue of the young adults around me was NOT focused on the framing of the assassination around left or right issues. Their focus was the desperate problem of guns and school shootings. You know what all the kids agreed on after talking? They want to fire ALL the politicians and then vote in young people who have been in multiple lockdowns and / or school shooting situations their entire lives. And then let's see what happens to the lobbyists, the money and the congressional cowardice. These children are tired of the fighting, and they are TIRED OF SHOOTINGS!
"A life is gone". Are you even aware of the incitement to violence of the dead fascist propagandist? Fascist propaganda is all about promulgating violence against vulnerable communities- scapegoats. We should be silencing Fox Noose (Hang the Truth) also. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for destroying the planet.
Charlie did not promote violence, and was not a fascist. Name calling and lies don’t accomplish anything. Providing good reasons to back up your claims would be good. That’s what Charlie did, and since he was so convincing, he was murdered.
Charlie was not a fascist and that kind of rhetoric is a huge problem. Calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist or fascist doesn’t work anymore, it was so easy to win every argument for decades and gain power easily by doing this, but no more.
Christ almighty you useless cunt. Wake up to what is happening. Republicans are FULL FASCIST now. The U.S.A. is being destroyed. Fight back or fuck off. p.s. Read any good books lately? I doubt it.
I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a racist or fascist. What makes you think that? I call racists and fascists racists and fascists. Charlie Kirk was both of those things.
Incredible way to miss the point. Especially ironic considering in the last six months we have seen very public assassinations targeting people from both "sides."
I hope you understand that there are no sides. No one is bulletproof.
The Democrat was killed by a leftist who was mad about how she voted. Good try on deflection. First we need to be aware and admit where the violence is coming from, then we can begin addressing it.
Register all guns. Make it a crime to possess an unregistered gun. Make it a felony to buy or sell a gun without registering it.
Make it a felony to tweet or publish instructions on how to print a ghost run unless the instructions are only available as downloadable PDF files and the downloads are tracked to the destination IP addresses. Make it a felony to create a ghost gun that comes from someone else's downloaded instructions.
Do the whole national database of gun owners. We don't have to take away anyone's gun, but we do have the right to know who has what.
I know you’re used to using derogatory terms to dismiss opinions of women, but I’m not one of your stupid MAGA woman without a brain. Not one goddamn thing that Trump‘s ever done in his life, that’s silly.
With all due respect, which in this case is none at all, you don't know the slightest thing about me.
I do know something about you, though, that you'll believe any idiot conspiracy theory that fits the preconceptions you manage to cram into your tiny pea brain.
Is it, now? With all due respect, would you really put it past someone who made the claim that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and get away with it? I wouldn’t be so sure that he isn’t doing that now. We could ask Jeffrey Epstein how he feels about this. But since he’s no longer breathing, that will be a little hard to do.
Trump's comment about 5th Avenue applies equally to Barack Obama, moron. He was speaking metaphorically about the effects of celebrity and he is unfortunately far more right than wrong.
Well said. There is no excuse for gun violence even if many think it is a necessary hazard of our second amendment rights as this victim seemed to think. 😢
« Les personnes qui filmaient avec leurs téléphones lors de l'événement « Prove Me Wrong » de Charlie Kirk mercredi après-midi à l'Université de la vallée de l'Utah espéraient probablement capturer le genre de moment viral provocateur pour lequel le jeune militant d'extrême droite est connu.
Au lieu de cela, ils ont filmé un acte choquant de violence politique — le genre de chose pour laquelle l’Amérique est connue, une fois de plus. »
Then explain why it was LEGAL during WWII to kill fascist ? WWIII begun weeks ago in our community over three thousand Swedes have been moved here their stories are horrific they have been facing fascism for well over three years no tanks no armies just shot going to market ,church yet we have not heard a word in our media. Poland was attacked today by Russia, Israel attacked Quatar our media says that they killed Hamas general pictures of what really happened are now showing up 167 Saudi soldiers killed? Americans don’t know who or what to believe in anymore. I was born a Quaker and have lived seventy years practicing we do not believe in killing yet it’s getting close to who gets killed first? It’s not about fighting back but surviving it you have to plan to survive not buying dehydrated food in a pail for $300 but planning for every family is going to have to grow nothing more than courage.
It certainly didn't help that the best FBI agents on the ground in Utah were dismissed weeks earlier on the grounds they were DEI hires, which hampered the response to catch the shooter.
What's even scarier than the shooting itself - quite possibly the first political murder of a MAGA figurehead - is the possibility of the Trump Regime using it as an excuse to pull a Reichstag fire moment, and torch what's left of the US Constitution. And given Kirk called for the Epstein Files to be released, what possibility a MAGA civil war may have been behind it?
Trump had him assassinated to change the narrative that he is a pedophile and as pay back for him crossing him while many on the right spoke up about the betrayal of Trump the MaGA movement. Don't beleive me? Ask Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, wait, he died in his jail cell? No way! #Release the Epstein Files!!
Never been a better time to reread Bryan Burrough's book. The Days of Rage are upon us again. It is a cold consolation that this is not remotely new in America, but it's a consolation nonetheless.
Facism IS a problem. Political violence isnt the answer. Trump OPENED the door to political violence by pardoning the Jan 6th insurrection violence on th we government, Capitol police. It was wrong and that is the original sin that will reverberate for decades.
No one in their right mind should celebrate violence against anyone. Also, we know the MAGA right will dial up their rhetoric and actions to the nth degree and put democracy in bigger danger.
Couldn't resist, could you?
He's a lousy president, but he's no pedophile. And Epstein was a pimp and procurer, not a child molester, which is bad enough. You will go to your grave not realizing how helpful your fixated hyperbole is to Trump.
As was Bill Clinton., and many others during the 90’s, when Epstein was just another celebrity. You have a very expansive definition of both ‘child’ and ‘rape’. Your indifference to fact does you no good. Epstein recruited whores, some of whom were pretty young, to service famous men. It’s ugly enough on its own terms without the hyperbole.
you must be glad to see the immediate gop response was to restore security protection to dems.
nevermind, we are still in the same old universe, and guns will be off the hook.
I am in my right mind and if I need to be violent to protect what is of value in this world I will be violent. I celebrate the fact that there is one less fascist "influencer" in the world warping people's minds with fascist propaganda.
I wonder who's going to protect us all from you. You do know that all the great Mass murderers claimed to be acting and defense. Lenin and Stalin surrounded by imperialist powers that wanted to destroy the Soviet Union. Hitler was reacting against the conspiracy of Jewish bankers. Plenty of Orwellian sheep of your type baahed their approval. You and the twerps who approved you are dismal archetypes.
Keep singing that sad refrain when the fascist cunts now running amok have destroyed everything, including the planet. You are useless. Join the resistance or get out of the fucking way, coward.
Do you think what you write or think or do about anything matters to anyone? Don't you realize that the universal soldiers of your gullibility and stupidity are a dime a dozen?
You're not going to send Hitler packing with that attitude Frankie boy!
It’s a flashing red warning light and it’s not the first assasination this year. People on both sides have been openly fantasizing about killing the ‘enemy,’ and now we’re seeing it spill over. If we don’t confront the culture of dehumanization head-on, the U.S. isn’t headed for polite disagreements — it’s headed for political cleansing and organized violence. We either find a way to pull back from this cliff or we go over it together.
Compare & contrast the muted response to MN housemember Melissa Hortman's killing by an InfoWars-addled QAnon type.
The difference is the spectacularly public nature of this homicide, not the ideology.
“People on both sides have been openly fantasizing about killing the ‘enemy,’ and now we’re seeing it spill over. “
I am not sure what you mean by both “sides” here @rolivier79
I only see two sides:
* those who would fantasize about or resort to violence
* those who reject violence
I reject violence
I hear you. The reason I said ‘both sides’ is because I’ve personally heard Republicans say ‘there will be no solution until we take up arms against the liberals’ — and I’ve also heard Democrats say almost the exact same thing after Trump’s failed assassination attempt. And these weren’t fringe extremists; they were people you’d meet at work or in your neighborhood. It feels like hate and dehumanization are spreading everywhere. Personally I agree with you — I reject violence — but I’ve had no luck convincing others to be pacifist. I’m terrified we’re heading in the opposite direction — faster and faster — and I don’t know how we stop this pot from boiling over.
I do no recall any democrat advocating for murdering anyone, ever. The real law and order party have always been the democrats who call for justice
You had better check out x one of these days, particularly the constant vitriol directed against JK Rowling for expressing views that are largely mainstream.
I’m not talking about public statements from politicians — I’m talking about individual people: family, friends, coworkers. I’ve personally heard Republicans say ‘there will be no solution until we take up arms against the liberals’ and I’ve also heard Democrats express the same kind of thinking after Trump’s failed assassination. These aren’t fringe extremists, they’re regular people. It feels like hate and despair are spreading. It’s shocking to see public comments from likely democrats celebrating Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Yes, politicians aren’t publicly celebrating his assassination, but many voices on the left are celebrating. Ultimately it’s up to all Americans not to celebrate and propagate hatred.
What alarms me most is that every time this happens, the idea of killing fellow citizens with a different opinion becomes more normalized. Once that line is crossed there’s no undoing it — only escalation. This is tragic and dangerous. How do we pull back before it becomes our daily reality?
No one deserves to die for their political opinions but this is not a "both sides" issue. What you "hear people saying" and who is taking action are 2 different things.
If I was to bet on who shot Charlie Kirk it would be a far right white male. The odds favor it. Yet we have to deal with Trump and Republicans blaming the Democrats and the left for his murder.
Republican politicians who have continually blocked reasonable gun control legislation refuse to look in the mirror and see the culture of death they've created. School shootings have been normalized. The schools, the malls, the movies, bars and social gatherings have all become targets for mass murderers and we go through the same cycle ad nauseum.
The lay definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. We live in an insane country.
I have never heard anyone responsible suggest taking up arms against the other side.
You would have been a useless onlooker in 1939 to 1945.
We are exactly where the fascists want us to be. Fuck that dead fascist.
Bless your heart
I have posted this on several notes and comments of people I follow, but I want to put it here as well.
Let me start this by saying I am a Democrat, and have never voted for Trump. I would like to offer a perspective of someone who lives just north of the area. My elderly parents live in Orem (they did not vote for Trump). They just called to say helicopters are noisily swarming over their house. I have two extremely upset children who attend Utah Valley University (they did not vote for Trump). I have been communicating with my little sister all afternoon. She and her husband (neither voted for Trump) live in Orem also. My sister woke from a well-deserved nap to be alerted that two of her school aged children were in lockdown in a live shooter situation. There had been a shooting, and the suspect was at large. There is a junior high with almost 1,400 students that is directly across the street from campus. There are several elementary schools close by. This is a very crowded and busy neighborhood that is a combination of restaurants, homes, schools, and the university. My family has been urgently texting each other to see if the 20 somethings, 12 year old, and 7 year old are all right. My sister just texted me that hearing her sweet 7 year old describe being in lockdown in a tiny voice is breaking her heart. I saw my niece yesterday. We talked about elf kitties. Today my niece is talking about lockdowns. This is a REAL thing that is happening to people. The sardonic and jaded tone used by many today is wrong. Quit posting in sound bites. A life is gone.
I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER. Have you all forgotten the words of Ghandi and Martin Luther King, Jr. ? Violence never solves the problem. It creates more problems. This whole semester will be tainted for all the students there. There are almost 44,000 students that attend UVU. School is now closed until the 15th. What about the 9/11 commemorations and service projects scheduled by the university tomorrow? Utah is a much more purple state inside than it looks from the outside. UVU has a diverse population including many international students. Not every student there believed in Charlie Kirk's words. They are young adults who are naturally attracted to a media event. And now they have seen an assassination live. The students on the ground knew Kirk would not survive from the neck wound. Even though they are the video game generation these kids are NOT desensitized to violence. They are upset. Everyone I know in the area is upset - no matter who they voted for.
And yes, my parents, my sister, my nephews and nieces, my children and their friends ALSO knew what was happening in Denver and were equally upset and enraged by it too. People are capable of thinking about multiple things at the same time. It only amplified their grief and fear over school shootings.
This is what one of my children said to me after getting home today. I asked them if I could quote them directly: "Kirk's opinion will now be more amplified, and the person who killed Kirk - their opinion will seem less justified. It is a cowardly stupid action that has done nothing but ruin lives. Killing people is not the answer. He was a dumb guy, but no one deserves to be killed in a traumatic way like that."
The other child put it more succinctly: "The Crips and the Bloods are fighting, and I am sick of it. I am mad at all the shootings and the guns. I am mad at all the stupid adults. This is stupid and awful." This is a child who has only known nasty politics to be the norm. They do not believe me when I say politics used to be boring, and most people did not give it all that much attention.
You know what surprised me? The dialogue of the young adults around me was NOT focused on the framing of the assassination around left or right issues. Their focus was the desperate problem of guns and school shootings. You know what all the kids agreed on after talking? They want to fire ALL the politicians and then vote in young people who have been in multiple lockdowns and / or school shooting situations their entire lives. And then let's see what happens to the lobbyists, the money and the congressional cowardice. These children are tired of the fighting, and they are TIRED OF SHOOTINGS!
What are you counting? Inner city violent shootings?
"A life is gone". Are you even aware of the incitement to violence of the dead fascist propagandist? Fascist propaganda is all about promulgating violence against vulnerable communities- scapegoats. We should be silencing Fox Noose (Hang the Truth) also. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for destroying the planet.
Charlie did not promote violence, and was not a fascist. Name calling and lies don’t accomplish anything. Providing good reasons to back up your claims would be good. That’s what Charlie did, and since he was so convincing, he was murdered.
Which side of the political spectrum is all the violence coming from?
75% or more from the fascists. Expect that to increase as they entrench their fascist regime.
Charlie was not a fascist and that kind of rhetoric is a huge problem. Calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist or fascist doesn’t work anymore, it was so easy to win every argument for decades and gain power easily by doing this, but no more.
Christ almighty you useless cunt. Wake up to what is happening. Republicans are FULL FASCIST now. The U.S.A. is being destroyed. Fight back or fuck off. p.s. Read any good books lately? I doubt it.
I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a racist or fascist. What makes you think that? I call racists and fascists racists and fascists. Charlie Kirk was both of those things.
Incredible way to miss the point. Especially ironic considering in the last six months we have seen very public assassinations targeting people from both "sides."
I hope you understand that there are no sides. No one is bulletproof.
The Democrat was killed by a leftist who was mad about how she voted. Good try on deflection. First we need to be aware and admit where the violence is coming from, then we can begin addressing it.
You just made that up, John. Stop lying.
Oops, you’re right, looks like he was a Republican
Register all guns. Make it a crime to possess an unregistered gun. Make it a felony to buy or sell a gun without registering it.
Make it a felony to tweet or publish instructions on how to print a ghost run unless the instructions are only available as downloadable PDF files and the downloads are tracked to the destination IP addresses. Make it a felony to create a ghost gun that comes from someone else's downloaded instructions.
Do the whole national database of gun owners. We don't have to take away anyone's gun, but we do have the right to know who has what.
And tRUMP is still pedophile. He has orchestrated diversions before.
What a silly thing to write.
I know you’re used to using derogatory terms to dismiss opinions of women, but I’m not one of your stupid MAGA woman without a brain. Not one goddamn thing that Trump‘s ever done in his life, that’s silly.
With all due respect, which in this case is none at all, you don't know the slightest thing about me.
I do know something about you, though, that you'll believe any idiot conspiracy theory that fits the preconceptions you manage to cram into your tiny pea brain.
Is it, now? With all due respect, would you really put it past someone who made the claim that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and get away with it? I wouldn’t be so sure that he isn’t doing that now. We could ask Jeffrey Epstein how he feels about this. But since he’s no longer breathing, that will be a little hard to do.
Trump's comment about 5th Avenue applies equally to Barack Obama, moron. He was speaking metaphorically about the effects of celebrity and he is unfortunately far more right than wrong.
Well said. There is no excuse for gun violence even if many think it is a necessary hazard of our second amendment rights as this victim seemed to think. 😢
Mais si les attentats contre Hitler avaient réussi, l’Histoire aurait été fort différente…
Gandhi pouvait s’asseoir devant des soldats anglais, il ne risquait rien.
Comment être pacifiste en ce moment?
NYT
« Les personnes qui filmaient avec leurs téléphones lors de l'événement « Prove Me Wrong » de Charlie Kirk mercredi après-midi à l'Université de la vallée de l'Utah espéraient probablement capturer le genre de moment viral provocateur pour lequel le jeune militant d'extrême droite est connu.
Au lieu de cela, ils ont filmé un acte choquant de violence politique — le genre de chose pour laquelle l’Amérique est connue, une fois de plus. »
Kirk était loin d’être innocent!
Very moving and explanatory of where we are.
Au nom de la démocratie, on laisse les plus faibles se faire assassiner par les plus forts
Then explain why it was LEGAL during WWII to kill fascist ? WWIII begun weeks ago in our community over three thousand Swedes have been moved here their stories are horrific they have been facing fascism for well over three years no tanks no armies just shot going to market ,church yet we have not heard a word in our media. Poland was attacked today by Russia, Israel attacked Quatar our media says that they killed Hamas general pictures of what really happened are now showing up 167 Saudi soldiers killed? Americans don’t know who or what to believe in anymore. I was born a Quaker and have lived seventy years practicing we do not believe in killing yet it’s getting close to who gets killed first? It’s not about fighting back but surviving it you have to plan to survive not buying dehydrated food in a pail for $300 but planning for every family is going to have to grow nothing more than courage.
Charlie Kirk was a fascist propagandist. Fascist propaganda kills people.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
It certainly didn't help that the best FBI agents on the ground in Utah were dismissed weeks earlier on the grounds they were DEI hires, which hampered the response to catch the shooter.
What's even scarier than the shooting itself - quite possibly the first political murder of a MAGA figurehead - is the possibility of the Trump Regime using it as an excuse to pull a Reichstag fire moment, and torch what's left of the US Constitution. And given Kirk called for the Epstein Files to be released, what possibility a MAGA civil war may have been behind it?
Trump had him assassinated to change the narrative that he is a pedophile and as pay back for him crossing him while many on the right spoke up about the betrayal of Trump the MaGA movement. Don't beleive me? Ask Jeffrey Epstein. Oh, wait, he died in his jail cell? No way! #Release the Epstein Files!!
A young family has been forever altered. That is a tragedy.
Violence is the first resort of the bully. (enough said.)
Never been a better time to reread Bryan Burrough's book. The Days of Rage are upon us again. It is a cold consolation that this is not remotely new in America, but it's a consolation nonetheless.
Fascism is the problem. Charlie boy was a fascist. Fuck him.
Facism IS a problem. Political violence isnt the answer. Trump OPENED the door to political violence by pardoning the Jan 6th insurrection violence on th we government, Capitol police. It was wrong and that is the original sin that will reverberate for decades.