This week, Linda is joined by Elliott Abrams, senior fellow for Middle Eastern Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations. Elliott served in multiple presidential administrations, most recently as United States Special Representative for Venezuela and Special Representative for Iran from 2019 to 2021.

With national attention on Iran, Linda and Elliott revisit Trump’s earlier intervention: Venezuela. What are the administration’s goals in Venezuela? Months later, are we seeing progress? What could the future of Latin America look like?

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This week, Linda speaks with Bill Kristol, co-founder and editor of The Bulwark and an advisory board member at RDI. Though they both led careers as prominent conservatives, Linda and Bill have split from the Republican Party. Here, they discuss how they reached their current political positions, the philosophical ties they still share with their old camp, and the future of conservatism in America.

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Are American actions and American objectives mismatched in Iran? Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago joins Linda to discuss the Trump administration’s strategy—or lack thereof—in the war in the Middle East.

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How do immigrants and their children reconcile ties with their homelands and commitment to the United States? RDI CEO Uriel Epshtein joins Linda to discuss his own journey as a first-generation American and the son of Soviet immigrants—and contrasts that story against the controversy surrounding US athlete Eileen Gu’s decision to compete for the Chinese Olympic team.

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Rule of law or rule by law? Linda speaks with Andrew McCarthy, a columnist and former assistant US attorney who led the prosecution of the terrorists behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing for a lawyer’s perspective on the state of America’s constitutional order.

In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser will showcase the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics.

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In our latest installment, Linda is joined by Katya Pavlevych, an advocate for Ukrainian children who serves as an advisor at Razom for Ukraine and the founder of Forget Us Not, a non-profit that works to bring home children abducted by Russia.

Linda and Katya discuss the kidnapping and indoctrination of Ukrainian children amid Russia’s war against Ukraine. From mass transfers and coerced adoptions inside Russia to the militarization of youth in the occupied territories, they explore how this conflict extends far beyond territory, to the fight for Ukraine’s identity and future.

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The Renew Democracy Initiative and The Next Move are excited to bring you Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez. Linda is an author, columnist, and veteran of multiple presidential administrations.

In our latest installment, Linda sits down with Ilan Stavans, Professor of Humanities and Latin American Culture at Amherst College, to discuss the history of mass deportation in the United States. Amid furor over ICE operations, Linda and Ilan trace the current roundup to events during the early twentieth century..

In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser showcases the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics.

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The Renew Democracy Initiative and The Next Move are excited to launch Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.

In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser will showcase the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics.

In our first installment, Linda and The Next Move Managing Editor Evan Gottesman walk through America’s declining standards of leadership. It’s the perfect Presidents’ Day discussion, offering a look at the road to Trumpism from inside the White House.

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